{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/62538867ad55de001281af36/66133981d88ec90017b7efc7?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"HELEN LEWIS: A heterodox update from TERF island","description":"<p>Helen Lewis (The Atlantic columnist, BBC podcaster, pop culture decoder) has become a darling of the heterodox podcasting community (and this podcast; catch my previous Wild chat with her about THAT GQ interview with Jordan Peterson <a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/helen-lewis-on-slaying-jordan-peterson-declining-andrew/id1548626341?i=1000602173066\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">here</a>), and, relatedly, a pet target of the extreme Right and Left’s ongoing cancelling zeal. </p><p><br></p><p>In this interview, I invite Helen to talk through several very online eruptions that are crucial for fathoming what the hell is going on in the world today. We cover the feminist-trans wars playing out on “TERF Island”; why Kara Swisher has fallen out with Elon Musk and why the Left failed the October 7 “Hamas test”. Mostly this is a conversation about the role of discerning dialogue when the extreme Left and Right are dominating the online arena.</p><p><br></p><p>SHOW NOTES</p><ul><li>Listen to my previous Wild chat with&nbsp;<a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/helen-lewis-on-slaying-jordan-peterson-declining-andrew/id1548626341?i=1000602173066\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Helen</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Here’s the episode I did with <a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/hannah-barnes-we-need-to-think-through-the/id1548626341?i=1000636826594\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Hannah Barnes </a>about the trans debate in the UK</li><li>Check out&nbsp;Helen’s brilliant&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjenp2hqZb9AhVY-DgGHQgmDyUQFnoECCEQAQ&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelenlewis.substack.com%2F&amp;usg=AOvVaw1VpZkqDeWRJshKWEJUStjC\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Bluestocking Substack</a></li><li>Get hold of her most recent book, the bestseller&nbsp;bestseller&nbsp;<a href=\"https://amzn.to/3VKoH7d\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Difficult Women,&nbsp;A History of Feminism in 11 Fights</a></li><li>Check out her Blocked and Reported episode <a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/blocked-and-reported/id1504298199?i=1000649540416\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">here</a></li><li>We reference a few of&nbsp;Helen’s recent The Atlantic columns: <a href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/hamas-pop-intersectionality-leftism-israel/675625/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Progressives Who Flunked the Hamas Test</a>;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/04/kara-swisher-burn-book-memoir-journalism/677476/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Is Kara Swisher Tearing Down Tech Billionaires?</a> and <a href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/pregnant-women-people-feminism-language/620468/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Why I’ll Keep Saying “Pregnant Women”</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>If you need to know a bit more about me… head to my \"<a href=\"http://www.sarahwilson.com/about\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">about</a>\" page</p><p>For more such conversations subscribe to my<a href=\"https://sarahwilson.substack.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> Substack newsletter</a>, it’s where I interact the most!</p><p>Get your copy of my book,<a href=\"https://amzn.to/3vs3tf2\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> This One Wild and Precious Life</a></p><p>Let’s connect on<a href=\"http://www.instagram.com/_sarahwilson_\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> Instagram</a> and <a href=\"https://click.weare8.com/zMp3/1qib7lyt\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">WeAre8</a></p>","author_name":"Sarah Wilson"}