{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/61d5be008150ae0014bc3671/6ab267c5d00a4eacd5158e05?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Making the hot school meals programme work, with Jolene Cox and Michelle Darmody","description":"<p>The €300m universal Hot School Meals Programme has been running nationally for a full year and a review of the scheme brought to Cabinet this week highlights serious issues with nutritional value and food waste.</p><p>Critics have been highlighting these problems along with issues like trucks of pre-cooked food being sent across the country and the use of 100 million disposable packaging items per year.</p><p>The Government has responded to the review by committing to provide a cold lunch option each day and by expanding the range of portion sizes – however, experts say the scheme needs to be re-examined from the ground up.</p><p>On today's episode of The Deirdre O'Shaughnessy Podcast, Irish Examiner food writer and food policy expert Dr Michelle Darmody and children's cookbook author Jolene Cox discuss the scheme's teething problems and look at best practice in other countries.</p><p>The scheme was originally implemented in order to provide a hot meal with no stigma for children living in poverty, but according to Cox, it often does not reach those children.</p><p>\"Just because a child is hungry doesn't mean they're going to eat just anything,\" says Jolene Cox, \"and it's very condescending of us to say that it's those children that are eating the meals, you know, that they're so hungry.</p><p>\"Like, what is such a disservice to the hungry child is that they're actually refusing it and they're going home. There's a meal put down there - the standard is that bad that they're actually not eating it.\"</p><p>Dr Michelle Darmody has conducted extensive research into how other countries operate school meal schemes – she has visited schools where food is sourced locally and cooked onsite.</p><p>\"In the report yesterday, when you kind of take a deeper dive into it, only 7% of the meals meet the five basic nutrition standards that they have set themselves,\" she explains.</p><p>\"14% of the meals meet the standard of serving of two veg or fruit, while 50% of the meals contain no vegetables at all. And 15% of the meals were still said to contain high salt, fat and sugar, even though the minister had announced in April 2025 these were banned,\" she adds.</p><p>Community initiatives like the Duhallow Community Food Hub provide a working model that other areas of the country could emulate, says Darmody.</p><p>Listen to The Deirdre O'Shaughnessy Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.</p><p><a href=\"https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41913865.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Revamp of free school meals programme to include cold lunch option</a></p><p><a href=\"https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/healthandwellbeing/arid-41808854.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">'Our children need to be fed right': This North Cork organisation cooks 3,000 meals every day</a></p><p><a href=\"https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-41819972.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Our school meals programme must use community hubs and on-site kitchens cooking local produce</a></p><p><a href=\"https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-41902021.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Jolene Cox: Hot school meals are a great idea — but we can do it better</a></p>","author_name":"Irish Examiner"}