The second album from American singer Phoebe Bridgers was Billy's lockdown album, listened to while on long dog walks while coping with the enforced lack of a social life. And it's a thread we followed from last week's episode on Elliot Smith as Phoebe Bridgers is a self confessed fan and his work inspires hers.
Bill and Martin discuss whether music about depression needs to be sad and the difference between a recording and a song.
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