{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/616b806ba5607c00121c2ec2/6a69b0c0928f1022033167bc?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"If Your People Can't Change, You Have to Change Your People","description":"<p>Most shop owners say they want a great team. What they actually build, without realizing it, is a team of people they're too afraid to hold accountable. This episode is a candid, unscripted conversation with two veteran owners who both hit that wall, blew up their teams, and rebuilt them the right way.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode of Maximum Octane, Jason Patel sits down with <strong>Woody Howard</strong> of Simpsonville Automotive in Kentucky and <strong>Fred Gestwicki</strong> out of Canton, Ohio, both with nearly 30 years in the industry. Neither of them came in with a list of talking points. They just talked shop, which is exactly what makes this one worth your time.</p><p><br></p><p>The conversation covers the failure philosophy both owners live by and why letting your people fail on purpose is one of the most important things you can do for their development. They trade stories about teams that quit on the same day, techs that plateaued and couldn't grow, and the hard calls that turned out to be the right ones. They get into hiring for initiative over intelligence, why you should always be interviewing even when you're fully staffed, how to handle extended warranties as a payment method without losing margin, and a simple productivity hack Fred uses every few months that costs nothing and reveals everything.</p><p><br></p><p>Tune in to <strong>episode 144</strong> of <strong>Maximum Octane</strong> if you've ever held onto someone longer than you should have, struggled to get your team to perform without you standing over them, or wondered why your shop never seems to produce as much as it should. Woody and Fred have both been there, and they are not shy about what it actually took to get out.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>01:49 The three-legged stool moment: what a wheel balancer taught Woody about building a stable business</li><li>03:12 Why giving your team clear lanes of failure, not just job descriptions, is what actually builds accountability</li><li>05:35 The bolt-breaking exercise: how Fred teaches young techs what failure feels like before it costs a customer</li><li>08:17 How Woody's four-day work week experiment wiped out almost his entire team, and what he found on the other side</li><li>10:23 Fred's hard lesson about hiring for potential instead of who someone actually is right now</li><li>14:49 The 24-year-old service advisor who turned out to be the real secret sauce, not the $200K tech</li><li>21:50 When Fred fired a tech over a near-accident, his team asked for the tech back, and why he rehired him under a 90-day restart</li><li>30:27 Fred's productivity hack: bring a laptop, sit in the shop, say nothing, and just watch for a full day</li><li>36:48 How to frame extended warranties as a method of payment, not a fight, and why copying the customer on every communication changes everything</li><li>39:37 Fred's closing thought: every day, start with your vision and make sure who you have is actually getting you there</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Fred Gestwicki:</strong></p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/fixitwithfred/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.fixitwithfred.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Fix It with Fred website</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.instagram.com/fixitwithfred\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Fix It with Fred Instagram</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.facebook.com/fixitwithfred\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Fix It with Fred Facebook</a></li><li><a href=\"https://x.com/Fixitwithfred\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Fix It with Fred X</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Woodrow Howard:</strong></p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.simpsonvilleauto.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Simpsonville Automotive website</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.facebook.com/SimpsonvilleAutomotive/mentions/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Simpsonville Automotive Facebook</a></li><li>Phone: (502) 385-4735</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Let's connect:</strong></p><ul><li><a href=\"https://maximumoctane.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Website</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/hickeykim/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.facebook.com/kim.hickey.167\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Facebook</a></li><li>Email: info@maximumoctane.com</li></ul>","author_name":"Kim Hickey"}