{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/60baafd7d3cdd0001b29d9ee/69a9af21c2eb2fc3abe0eb6c?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Scaling Laws: Can AI Make AI Regulation Cheaper?, with Cullen O'Keefe and Kevin Frazier","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/60baafd7d3cdd0001b29d9ee/1772728065250-dffa7a13-dcce-4835-bbd5-ee09e140b69b.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Alan Rozenshtein, research director at&nbsp;<em>Lawfare</em>, spoke with Cullen O'Keefe, research director at the Institute for Law &amp; AI, and Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law and senior editor at&nbsp;<em>Lawfare</em>, about their paper,&nbsp;<a href=\"https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6017756\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">\"Automated Compliance and the Regulation of AI\"</a>&nbsp;(and&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/ai-will-automate-compliance.-how-can-ai-policy-capitalize\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">associated <em>Lawfare</em> article</a>), which argues that AI systems can automate many regulatory compliance tasks, loosening the trade-off between safety and innovation in AI policy.</p><p>The conversation covered the disproportionate burden of compliance costs on startups versus large firms; the limitations of compute thresholds as a proxy for targeting AI regulation; how AI can automate tasks like transparency reporting, model evaluations, and incident disclosure; the Goodhart's Law objection to automated compliance; the paper's proposal for \"automatability triggers\" that condition regulation on the availability of cheap compliance tools; analogies to sunrise clauses in other areas of law; incentive problems in developing compliance-automating AI; the speculative future of automated compliance meeting automated governance; and how co-authoring the paper shifted each author's views on the AI regulation debate.</p><p>Find <em>Scaling Laws</em> on the <a href=\"https://www.lawfaremedia.org/podcasts-multimedia/podcast/scaling-laws\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Lawfare</em> website</a>, and <a href=\"https://shows.acast.com/arbiters-of-truth\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe</a> to never miss an episode.</p>","author_name":"The Lawfare Institute"}