With Nicky back, the conversation takes a few twists and turns as we unpack the trend for 'lived experience' as incidental learning that boosts structured training, how mind potentialities are the way we think and not a weakness and why Nicky got told she has a saggy pelvis. We encourage the idea of why you need to 'wilfully put yourself though shit' to become a better leader and poke fun at ourselves in the distraction.
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