{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/605c639977610458c09817f3/6a47ad07ecd123914334d4b2?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"From Improvised Rockets in Iraq to Drones Over Russia: Inside TECHINT with Travis Butson","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/605c639977610458c09817f3/1783081653278-a5236dea-4f5b-4305-a29c-a7086500df20.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Your intelligence team can tell you who fired the rocket. Almost none of them can tell you what it was, how it was built, or what’s coming next. </p><p><br></p><p>That gap has a name: TECHINT. And it’s the least understood discipline in the entire intelligence world.</p><p><br></p><p>This week I sat down with Travis Butson. 15 years with the New Zealand Defence Force, Air Force intelligence, and the man who built our new TECHINT course. </p><p><br></p><p>There is no equivalent of this course anywhere. I’ve looked.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode:</p><p><br></p><ul><li>How Travis learned to think like the enemy, alone in an armoury with a Carl Gustaf and no doctrine to hold him back</li><li>Tracking the adaptation cycles of improvised rocket systems in Iraq, and the Taji attack that changed how we think about insurgent capability</li><li>Why one photo from a Chinese air show was worth more than classified reporting</li><li>Op Spiderweb, drones, counter-UAS, and what happens when you underestimate a cunning enemy</li><li>Why identifying a weapon system is the first minute of the job, not the job</li><li>Inside the course: 15 modules, from the Battle of Thymbra to foreign materiel exploitation</li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Here’s the thing. Travis doesn’t just teach you to fish. He shows you how he fishes, then hands you the tackle box.</p><p><br></p><p>The course goes live on the 5th of July at the Grey Dynamics Intelligence School.</p><p><br></p><p>And that story about the Pantsirs in Sudan? </p><p><br></p><p>The one I couldn’t wrap my head around in 2023? You’ll want to hear how that ends.</p>","author_name":"Grey Dynamics"}