{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/68ff7e6f5d04b86696ffcbb4?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Scaling Laws: The GoLaxy Revelations: China's AI-Driven Influence Operations, with Brett Goldstein, Brett Benson, and Renée DiResta","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/1761574444477-ef9e7e83-2177-4fb9-86e7-5e8a343d4583.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Alan Rozenshtein, Senior Editor at <em>Lawfare</em>, speaks with Brett Goldstein, Special Advisor to the Chancellor on National Security and Strategic Initiatives at Vanderbilt University; Brett Benson, Associate Professor of Political Science at Vanderbilt University; and Renée DiResta, <em>Lawfare</em> Contributing Editor and Associate Research Professor at Georgetown University's McCourt School of Public Policy.</p><p>The conversation covers the evolution of influence operations from crude Russian troll farms to sophisticated AI systems using large language models; the discovery of GoLaxy documents revealing a \"Smart Propaganda System\" that collects millions of data points daily, builds psychological profiles, and generates resilient personas; operations targeting Hong Kong's 2020 protests and Taiwan's 2024 election; the fundamental challenges of measuring effectiveness; GoLaxy's ties to Chinese intelligence agencies; why detection has become harder as platform integrity teams have been rolled back and multi-stakeholder collaboration has broken down; and whether the United States can get ahead of this threat or will continue the reactive pattern that has characterized cybersecurity for decades.</p><p><em>Mentioned in this episode:</em></p><ul><li>\"<a href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/05/opinion/china-ai-propaganda.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Era of A.I. Propaganda Has Arrived, and America Must Act</a>,”&nbsp;by Brett J. Goldstein and Brett V. Benson (New York Times, August 5, 2025)</li><li>\"<a href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/06/us/politics/china-artificial-intelligence-information-warfare.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">China Turns to A.I. in Information Warfare</a>\"&nbsp;by Julian E. Barnes (New York Times, August 6, 2025)</li><li>\"<a href=\"https://therecord.media/golaxy-china-artificial-intelligence-papers\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The GoLaxy Papers: Inside China's AI Persona Army</a>,”&nbsp;by Dina Temple-Raston and Erika Gajda (The Record, September 19, 2025)</li><li>\"<a href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/future-propaganda-will-be-computer-generated/616400/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The supply of disinformation will soon be infinite</a>,”&nbsp;by Renée DiResta (The Atlantic, September 2020)</li></ul><p>Find <em>Scaling Laws</em> on the <a href=\"https://www.lawfaremedia.org/podcasts-multimedia/podcast/scaling-laws\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Lawfare</em> website</a>, and <a href=\"https://shows.acast.com/arbiters-of-truth\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe</a> to never miss an episode.</p><p>To receive ad-free podcasts, become a&nbsp;<em>Lawfare&nbsp;</em>Material Supporter at&nbsp;<a href=\"http://www.patreon.com/lawfare\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">www.patreon.com/lawfare</a>. You can also support&nbsp;<em>Lawfare&nbsp;</em>by making a one-time donation at&nbsp;<a href=\"https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute</a>.</p>","author_name":"The Lawfare Institute"}