{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/68acad9a73bf5b62980ee2d9?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Lawfare Daily: Defending Ukraine Outside NATO with Michael O'Hanlon and Andriy Zagorodnyuk ","description":"<p><em>Lawfare</em> Contributor Mykhailo Soldatenko sits down with Michael O'Hanlon, Director of Foreign Policy Research and Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Andriy&nbsp;Zagorodnyuk, Chairman of the Centre for Defence Strategies in Kyiv, a former Ukrainian Defence Minister, and a nonresident scholar at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, to discuss ways of defending Ukraine from present and future Russian attacks in the absence of NATO membership.</p><p>Please see the following policy proposals relevant to the discussion:&nbsp;</p><ul><li>“<a href=\"https://www.cfr.org/report/defending-ukraine-absence-nato-security-guarantees\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Defending Ukraine in the Absence of NATO Security Guarantees</a>,” by Paul B. Stares and Michael O'Hanlon</li><li>“<a href=\"https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2025/06/ukraines-new-theory-of-victory-should-be-strategic-neutralization?lang=en\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Ukraine's New Theory of Victory Should be Strategic Neutralization</a>,” by Andriy Zagorodnyuk</li><li>“<a href=\"https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/exploring-ukraine-s-armed-neutrality-or-nonalignment--legal-and-policy-considerations\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Exploring Ukraine’s Armed Neutrality or Nonalignment: Legal and Policy Considerations</a>,” by Mykhailo Soldatenko</li></ul><p>To receive ad-free podcasts, become a&nbsp;<em>Lawfare&nbsp;</em>Material Supporter at&nbsp;<a href=\"http://www.patreon.com/lawfare\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">www.patreon.com/lawfare</a>. You can also support&nbsp;<em>Lawfare&nbsp;</em>by making a one-time donation at&nbsp;<a href=\"https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute</a>.</p>","author_name":"The Lawfare Institute"}