{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/6696cf01f969d81c79955911?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Lawfare Daily: The Limits of Cyber Subversion, with Lennart Maschmeyer","description":"<p>Eugenia Lostri, <em>Lawfare</em>'s Fellow in Technology Policy and Law, talks with with Lennart Maschmeyer, Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies at ETH Zurich, about his new <a href=\"https://academic.oup.com/book/56111\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">book</a>, “Subversion: From Covert Operations to Cyber Conflict.” The book explores how subversion works and what its strategic value is, and how technological change alters its reach and quality. They talked about the promise of subversion as an instrument of power, the tradeoffs required for covert operations, and how current doctrine should consider cyber capabilities.</p><p>To receive ad-free podcasts, become a&nbsp;<em>Lawfare&nbsp;</em>Material Supporter at&nbsp;<a href=\"http://www.patreon.com/lawfare\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">www.patreon.com/lawfare</a>. You can also support&nbsp;<em>Lawfare&nbsp;</em>by making a one-time donation<em>&nbsp;</em>at&nbsp;<a href=\"https://givebutter.com/c/trumptrials\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://givebutter.com/c/trumptrials</a>.</p>","author_name":"The Lawfare Institute"}