{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/65f30935da4582001644d421?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Chatter: Margaret Mead, Psychedelics, and the CIA with Benjamin Breen ","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/1713285269784-2694e7b14d9a60fb9f15a368c8a74ccd.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>If you’re listening to this podcast, chances are you’ve heard stories about the CIA’s experiments with drugs, particularly LSD, during the infamous MKUltra program. But you may not know that the characters involved in that dubious effort connect to one of the 20th Century’s most famous and revered scientists, the anthropologist Margaret Mead.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Shane&nbsp;Harris talked with historian Benjamin Breen about this new book,&nbsp;<em>Tripping on Utopia</em>, which tells the story of how Mead and her close circle launched a movement to expand human consciousness, decades before the counterculture of the 1960s popularized, and ultimately stigmatized, psychedelic drugs. Mead and&nbsp;Gregory Bateson--her collaborator and one-time husband--are at the center of a story that includes the WWII-era Office of Strategic Services, a shady cast of CIA agents and operatives, Beat poets, and the pioneers of the Information Age.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Psychedelics are having a renaissance, with federal regulators poised to legalize their use - Breen’s book is an engrossing history that explores the roots of that movement and how it influenced and collided with the U.S. national security establishment.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong><em>Books, movies, and other points of interest discussed in this conversation include:&nbsp;</em></strong></p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/benjamin-breen/tripping-on-utopia/9781538722374/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Tripping on Utopia: Margaret Mead, the Cold War, and the Troubled Birth of Psychedelic Science</em>&nbsp;</a>by Benjamin Breen&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://www.harpercollins.com/products/tripped-norman-ohler?variant=41080670289954\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Tripped: Nazi Germany, the CIA, and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age</em></a>&nbsp;by Norman Ohler&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hearings/95mkultra.pdf\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">MKUltra</a>&nbsp;</li><li>The intelligence community’s <a href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/1977/09/05/archives/files-show-tests-for-truth-drug-began-in-oss-marijuana-derivative.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">research on “truth drugs”&nbsp;</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056218/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Manchurian Candidate</em>&nbsp;</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343737/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_the%2520good%2520shep\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Good Shepherd</em></a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250140432/poisonerinchief\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control</em></a>&nbsp;by Stephen Kinzer&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Men-Who-Stare-at-Goats/Jon-Ronson/9781439181775\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Men Who Stare at Goats</em></a>&nbsp;by Jon Ronson&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/292812/ghost-hunters-by-deborah-blum/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Ghost Hunters: William James and the Search for Scientific Proof of Life After Death</em></a>&nbsp;by Deborah Blum&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/12/17/operation-delirium\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">“Operation Delirium” </a>by Raffi Khatchadourian in&nbsp;<em>The New Yorker</em>&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong><em>Also check out:&nbsp;</em></strong></p><ul><li><a href=\"https://benjaminpbreen.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Ben’s website</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://resobscura.substack.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Ben’s Substack</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href=\"https://twitter.com/ResObscura\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Ben on Twitter</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p>","author_name":"The Lawfare Institute"}