{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/5f89845894287d58c98a397f/5f898efe479c70761a8b45cc?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"In conversation with Jacob Dlamini","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/5f89845894287d58c98a397f/1602850524813-dde4b39deaef0913903baf5d5d1e5b91.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Tamar Garb welcomes&nbsp;<a href=\"https://history.princeton.edu/people/jacob-s-t-dlamini\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Jacob Dlamini</a>&nbsp;for a conversation on the limitations of racialisations and categorisations, the problematic ethnicising of blackness, and understanding the centrality of race while also understanding that race doesn't explain everything. Jacob speaks on his work exploring the role of collaborators during apartheid, and how the traumas of the children of collaborators is important to the context of the traumas of South Africa’s past.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Transcript: </strong><a href=\"https://www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-jacob-dlamini\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/transcript-conversation-jacob-dlamini</a></p><p><br></p><p><em>This conversation was recorded on 30th July 2020</em></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Speakers:</strong>&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.ucl.ac.uk/art-history/people/academic-staff/professor-tamar-garb\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Tamar Garb</a>, Director of UCL Institute of Advanced Studies and Durning Lawrence Professor in the History of Art&nbsp;//&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://history.princeton.edu/people/jacob-s-t-dlamini\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Jacob Dlamini</a>, Assistant Professor of History at Princeton University</p><p><strong>Producer and Editor:</strong>&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/people/professional-services\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Kaissa Karhu</a></p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"http://www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">www.ucl.ac.uk/racism-racialisation/podcasts</a></p>","author_name":"UCL Sarah Parker Remond Centre"}