{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/5a481aca95dfbf9d13d4dc6f/63aa2612cc3f7e0011d05c74?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"654: Mark Mills, part 3: The Cloud Revolution","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/5a481aca95dfbf9d13d4dc6f/1672094950149-e0b1accad5fa8e3eccd26e9a0c7b2d48.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>After I've read his recent book The Cloud Revolution, Mark and I continue our conversation on sustainability and what to do based on qualitative <em>and</em> quantitative understanding. I've also been listening to his podcast.</p><p>I came to Mark for his thoughtful research on the problems with solar and wind power, which people call clean, green, and renewable but are none of the above. I mainly want to get his views in general, which he shares. Within that frame, and trying as a host, not an investigative journalist, I've tried to focus him on exposing the larger problems with fossil fuels, nuclear, fusion, and other sources.</p><p>He doesn't seem to consider their problems seriously. I hear him motivated by the view that lower energy prices and greater supply have benefited society and the concern for society breaking down if energy prices increased or supply decreased.</p><p>Regular listeners know I find huge potential life improvements in lowering energy use and that I see significant problems with our lives and future if we stay with oil, gas, coal, nuclear, and fusion so I support decreasing energy demand and supply, as I've lived and am living.</p><p>As you can hear, we two physics-trained examiners of our environmental situation enjoy our conversations. I expect it won't be our last.</p>","author_name":"Joshua Spodek: Author, Speaker, Professor"}