Jonathan and I have a good rapport. We joke around. I love his expressiveness as an artist. I think he values stewardship more than he's behaved so far in life, so I hear him enjoying aligning his behavior with his values.
In this episode we review his leading his kids and wife in The Spodek Method from last time. You'll hear touching family interactions.
The I teach the second interaction with guests---how to lead that conversation.
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