Why do you feel anxious when nothing is actually wrong?
In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Randolph Nesse, a pioneering psychiatrist and one of the founders of evolutionary medicine, to understand why our brains create so much anxiety, even when we’re perfectly safe.We talk about why people who can’t feel pain often die young, why anxiety works like a smoke detector that goes off when you burn the toast, and why fighting a panic attack can actually make it worse.
We also get into the snake he borrowed from a pet shop to cure someone’s phobia in an hour, why he sends people into Burger King to order a Big Mac, and why achieving your biggest goal might only make you happy for about three days.
But what stayed with me most wasn’t just the science.It was recognising how much of my life I’ve spent fighting anxiety, trying to control it, and believing it meant something was wrong with me.What if your anxiety isn’t a sign something is wrong with you?What if it’s just a false alarm?
Dr. Randolph Nesse is a psychiatrist and pioneer of evolutionary medicine. He spent 40 years as a professor of psychiatry at the University of Michigan, where he helped establish one of the world’s first anxiety disorder clinics. He is the Founding Director of the Center for Evolution and Medicine at Arizona State University and the author of Good Reasons for Bad Feelings and co-author of Why We Get Sick.
If you’re struggling, please reach out. Australia: Lifeline 13 11 14. US: Call or text 988. UK: Samaritans 116 123.
Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction: Why Anxiety Exists
(01:12) Sweating Pain Analogy
(02:37) Threat Mode And Fun Fear
(04:44) Exposure Therapy Origins
(08:13) Public Speaking Fear
(12:28) Vicious Panic Cycles
(14:53) Social Anxiety And Sensitivity
(16:29) Why Low Mood Exists
(20:30) Unreachable Goals And Status
(24:03) Meaning Over Achievement
(25:34) Ambition And Social Media
(26:19) Social Media Comparison Trap
(27:20) Outrage Rewards Online
(29:43) Echo Chambers and Polarization
(32:33) Smoke Detector Principle
(37:27) Mindfulness and Treatment Paths
(39:30) Antidepressants
(48:28) Exercise as Medicine
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