{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/2c2eab86-45bd-53ae-b72f-f474f0e08bc9/660bb6479aee4b0015fc1d4d?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Population panic","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6113e8578b4903809f16f7e5/1712043507625-0f96f4ff7886972b35b27ad3b01e819b.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p><strong>Demographer Liz Allen and migration expert Alan Gamlen&nbsp;are talking migration and population, and the fear-based discourse that often surrounds it.</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Last week we saw an attempt at rushing through immigration legislation, but creating a sense of panic around immigration and population issues has long been a staple of the political playbook. So why is it effective?&nbsp;Where does&nbsp;the common sense lay&nbsp;in how our political class handle the complexities of this debate?&nbsp;And, as we are busy arguing about borders and immigration, what are the key social trends that are missed? On this episode of <strong>Democracy Sausage</strong>, demographer Liz Allen and migration expert Alan Gamlen join Mark Kenny to talk ‘population panics’ and immigration politics.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Alan Gamlen</strong> is the Director of the Migration Hub at the ANU School of Regulation and Global Governance.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>Liz Allen</strong> is a demographer and social researcher at the ANU Centre for Social Research and Methods.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>Mark Kenny</strong> is a Professor at the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for <em>The Sydney Morning Herald</em>, <em>The Age</em> and <em>The Canberra Times</em>.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em>Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny is available on </em><a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/democracy-sausage-with-mark-kenny/id1459965243?mt=2&amp;ls=1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Apple Podcasts</em></a><em>, </em><a href=\"https://open.spotify.com/show/20Ko99T4ZcJdGey9hltGZa\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Spotify</em></a><em>, </em><a href=\"https://pca.st/podcast/4bcd93e0-450e-0137-f266-1d245fc5f9cf\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Pocket Casts</em></a><em>, </em><a href=\"https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3Muc2ltcGxlY2FzdC5jb20vcG9kY2FzdHMvMTA4NDIvcnNz\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Google Podcasts</em></a><em> or wherever you get your podcasts. We’d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to </em><a href=\"mailto:democracysausage@anu.edu.au\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>democracysausage@anu.edu.au</em></a><em>.</em>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This podcast is produced by <a href=\"https://www.anu.edu.au/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Australian National University</a>.&nbsp;</p>","author_name":"The Australian National University"}