{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/2c2eab86-45bd-53ae-b72f-f474f0e08bc9/65e8337307c7190016dd671a?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Having it both ways","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6113e8578b4903809f16f7e5/1709716008808-b6e0d3c14eca403935ea806ee2b82b32.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p><strong>Strategic studies expert Hugh White talks Australia's defence situation, arguing our political leaders are out of step with the rest of the region.</strong></p><p><br></p><p>How can we best spend our tax dollars to ensure that Australia's defence capabilities are 'fit for purpose'? What politics internationally and closer to home, are impacting Labor's decisions on shipbuilding and defence? And with the recent ASEAN-Australia special summit in Melbourne, do our leader see eye to eye with the region and each other on how to best manage the shifting strategic environment? On this episode of&nbsp;<strong>Democracy Sausage</strong>, Emeritus Professor Hugh White from The Australian National University (ANU) discusses making Australia’s defence ‘fit for purpose’ with Professor Mark Kenny.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>Hugh White</strong> is an Emeritus Professor of Strategic Studies at ANU College of Asia and the Pacific.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>Mark Kenny</strong> is a Professor at the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for <strong>The Sydney Morning Herald,</strong> <strong>The Age </strong>and <strong>The Canberra Times.</strong>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny is available on </strong><a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/democracy-sausage-with-mark-kenny/id1459965243?mt=2&amp;ls=1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href=\"https://open.spotify.com/show/20Ko99T4ZcJdGey9hltGZa\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Spotify</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href=\"https://pca.st/podcast/4bcd93e0-450e-0137-f266-1d245fc5f9cf\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Pocket Casts</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href=\"https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3Muc2ltcGxlY2FzdC5jb20vcG9kY2FzdHMvMTA4NDIvcnNz\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Google Podcasts</strong></a><strong> or wherever you get your podcasts. We’d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to </strong><a href=\"mailto:democracysausage@anu.edu.au\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>democracysausage@anu.edu.au</strong></a><strong>.&nbsp;</strong></p><p><br></p><p>This podcast is produced by <a href=\"https://www.anu.edu.au/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Australian National University</a>.&nbsp;</p>","author_name":"The Australian National University"}