Two defeats in a week, including the Manchester derby, losing a two goal lead at home for the first time in fifty years and then a young star asks to leave - the problems are mounting for Manchester United and Michael Carrick.
Is it all football related or have the 'biggest club in England' still not solved their off pitch issues?
Another wonderkid, Max Dowman goes from strength to strength as he scores two and looks at home for Arsenal - how long until he is a regular starter? And just what does a seventeen year old at a top club get paid?
It is easy to forget but Leeds put in an impressive display to beat Newcastle on Monday night, how far can Daniel Farke's side go? And a successful European bow for Sunderland
Lastly, more VAR fallout and is the Premier League suffering a talent drain?
Tom Clarke is joined by jonathan Northcroft, Martin Samuel and Gregor Robertson
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