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What Do You Do When There Is No Hope with Bayo Akomolafe & Toni Spencer

Season 1, Ep. 9

In this poetic meditation on hope, we are joined by speaker, author and facilitator Bayo Akomolafe and facilitator, poet and mentor Toni Spencer. Together they discuss the abundance that can be found in hopelessness and the things that feel invited when darkness is all that there is. The speakers consider the costs and shape of hope, and explore the ways in which hope has been colonised - asking the question of whether endless hope is part of what the system wants us to do. Bayo suggests that perhaps the way to go isn’t always forward, but a step to the side, which invites a shifting of our positions. He discusses the importance of making space for grief in order to taste the textures of joy and encourages us to be midwives for the impossible - to birth new realms - realms that can often only be born in a time of hopelessness. 



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