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Beyond Productivity: Rethinking Human Worth, Neurodiversity & the Future of Work
What happens when a society decides your value is measured solely by what you produce?
In this thought-provoking episode of The Neurodiversity Voices Podcast, host Paul Cruz sits down with Helena St. George to explore the powerful themes behind her novel Shattered but Not Silenced—a dystopian story that asks difficult questions about productivity, autonomy, human worth, and belonging.
Drawing from her lived experience as a parent of neurodivergent children, Helena unpacks the emotional, political, and human realities that emerge when systems prioritize output over humanity. Together, Paul and Helena explore how society defines value, the pressures many neurodivergent people face, and why creating spaces where people are valued for who they are—not just what they produce—matters more than ever.
This conversation dives deep into autonomy, advocacy, quiet resistance, disability inclusion, and what it truly means to be recognized as a person rather than a function.
In this episode, you'll hear about:
• The inspiration behind Shattered but Not Silenced
• Neurodiversity and the future of work
• How productivity culture impacts human wellbeing
• Advocacy and systems change
• Autonomy, dignity, and belonging
• Parenting neurodivergent children
• Dystopian fiction as a lens for understanding real-world challenges
• Why society must rethink how it defines value and success
Powerful Moments
"My art is my voice. Maybe one day they'll listen."
"I didn't want to make her likable—I wanted to make her relatable."
"The tragedy isn't her autism. It's the system."
"If you can lick a stamp, you're employable… except stamps are self-stick now."
Who This Episode Is For
• Listeners interested in neurodiversity and advocacy
• Fans of dystopian fiction with real-world parallels
• Parents navigating education systems and support services
• Educators, advocates, and community leaders
• Anyone questioning how society defines value, productivity, and success
Final Reflection
This episode challenges one of society's most deeply ingrained beliefs: that our worth is tied to what we produce.
Instead, it offers a more human truth:
Value comes from perspective, presence, humanity, and individuality.
Resources & Links
Helena St. George's website:
helenastgeorge.com
Shattered but Not Silenced:
helenastgeorge.com/shattered-not-silenced
Closing Thought
If a system only values productivity, then resistance begins the moment you decide your humanity is enough.
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About The Neurodiversity Voices Podcast
The Neurodiversity Voices Podcast amplifies real voices, real stories, and real impact through conversations about autism, ADHD, neurodiversity, accessibility, inclusion, advocacy, education, employment, and lived experience.
Hosted by Paul Cruz.
Website: www.neurodiversityvoices.com
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Disclaimer: This podcast shares educational content and personal perspectives and is not a substitute for professional medical, psychological, legal, or other advice.
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