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2. Feel the fear and drop in anyway - Esther Sayers
Esther Sayers is a role model to us all. Her name comes up in so many conversations in this community; it seems all roads lead to her. She took up skateboarding at the age of 47, and continues to enjoy the sport to this day, despite a substantial injury to her fingers. She runs the MA Arts and Learning program at Goldsmiths and brings her experience of skateboarding in to her academic work.
In this conversation, Esther touches on coming back to skateboarding after her injury and overcoming fear to do so; what a drop in is; skating without pads; ageing and menopause, and subverting the narrative of decline; and how skateboarding has changed her relationship with her children.
Episode highlights:
- The battle scars of falling
- The feeling of skating without pads (when it’s safe to do so)
- Bowl skating, dropping in, and gaining confidence
- Strategies on overcoming fear (especially after an injury)
- Skating as a family
- Menopause, ageing and skateboarding
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Host - Caroline Keylock
Producer - Selma Chalabi
Photography - Clare Keylock
Artwork - Rozi Wan Rimli
Music - Music - Brother Brother by Benjamin Caleb Johnson, performed by BENSON
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45:19||Ep. 31Having achieved all she wanted to in her snowboarding career (she’d won the X Games 3 times), Jenny Jones suddenly had the opportunity to take part in the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi. At the age of 33, she became the first UK athlete to win an Olympic medal at a snow event - a bronze in the women’s slopestyle. She is now a mum (having had her baby Wilbur at the age of 43), a TV presenter, podcaster, surfer and skater, and snowboarding coach. Episode highlightsFalling - not on a board, but holding a baby!The impact of the financial crash on snow sports and sponsorship. Being at one's peak and unexpectedly reaching for a new peak - the call from Team GB about slopestyle being in the 2014 Winter Olympics.Recovering from concussion and still making it to the Olympics at the age of 33…and smashing it. Sharing the joy of being on a snow and surf board with ‘bump’.The bliss of becoming a mum at 43, despite being called geriatric.Jenny’s surf journey and moving to Devon to do more surfing. Setting up snowboarding workshops and retreats that focus on mindset as well as board skills. It’s time to get back on a skateboard and finally get that 'rock to fakie’.More about Jenny:@jennyjonessnowworkshopbyjennyjones.comThankUSnowboarding podcast - episode with Jenny JonesJoin the Board Women movement:boardwomen.co@boardwomenHost: Caroline KeylockProducer: Selma ChalabiPhotography - Clare KeylockArtwork - Rozi Wan Rimli Music - Brother Brother by Benjamin Caleb Johnson, performed by BENSON30. 30. Knees Up Buttercup - Brittany Traish and Karyn Bennett
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39:10||Ep. 28You'll know Lindsey as @hotmomsofskateboarding on instagram. Since launching her account and her skateboarding journey in January 2024, she has built a large following and created quite a stir online. She’s a vocal champion of the the right to joy for women, and she challenges the patriarchal system that can make some women feel like they don’t have a place in the sport.“I want other women to know that their joy is valid. The pursuit of their own joy is not only valid, but it’s crucial to having a full, experiential life”.Lindsey took up skateboarding in her late 40s after a few years of sitting on the sidelines watching her daughter learn and feeling jealous. It was when she saw a video posted by @auntyskates that she realised that the sport could be for her as well. She took a leap of faith by going on a retreat in Costa Rica with @auntyskates, and has never looked back. Episode highlights:The retreat with @auntyskates in Costa Rica - a week of freedom and joy and girlhood.Creating an online presence - finding a community of female skateboarders.Dealing with the patriarchy - showing the authentic life of what it is to be a woman.In a patriarchal system, female joy is not prioritised, but you can go against this ideology and live a fully explosive, joyful life. Dealing with trolls - pushing back. Getting through a very intense traumatic period - coming through and finding beauty in the darkness. Finding the balance between parenting and feeding your own joy.More about Lindsey:@hotmomsofskateboardingOther guests mentioned in this episode:I feel like I’m flying - Oorbee Roy aka Aunty SkatesFeel the fear and drop in anyway - Esther SayersJoin the Board Women movement:boardwomen.co@boardwomenHost: Caroline KeylockProducer: Selma ChalabiPhotography - Clare KeylockArtwork - Rozi Wan Rimli Music - Brother Brother by Benjamin Caleb Johnson, performed by BENSON27. 27. Old Lady Skater - Amy Bradshaw
35:51||Ep. 27Amy, aka @oldlady_skater, is an inspiration to us all. Having skated as a child, and even represented Vans, she stopped whilst still at school, and only took it up again at the age of 42 after her kids were grown up (her kids weren't in to skateboarding). Now she is 60 and retired, she spends much of her time in the skate park. She’s an advocate for pushing a little, taking a few risks, and seeing where it might get you.“Once you have it in your mind that you know you can do it, doing it is easier. It’s when you don’t think you can do it that you have a problem.”Episode highlightsTrying to master backside disasters and falling a lot. Getting in to skateboarding as a child - "my parents got divorced and it was a good distraction".Trying out for Vans and getting in to the team.Having children early and focussing on being a mum.Getting back in to skateboarding at the age of 42, and never looking back. Now 60, retired, and at the skate park all the time, often with friends of all ages.Loving the skate parks you used to hate.Finding a following on instagram as @oldlady_skater.Being diagnosed with ADHD and why skateboarding is good for an ADHD brain - “you have to be present and skateboarding forces you in to that presence".Amy's advice: Take a few risks. Put your pads on and try hard things.More about Amy Bradshaw:@oldlady_skaterJoin the Board Women movement:boardwomen.co@boardwomenHost: Caroline KeylockProducer: Selma ChalabiPhotography - Clare KeylockArtwork - Rozi Wan Rimli Music - Brother Brother by Benjamin Caleb Johnson, performed by BENSON26. 26. Shooting for the female gaze - Bronwen Foster-Butler
39:25||Ep. 26As Chief Marketing Officer of Finisterre, Bronwen Foster-Butler is passionate about how women are represented in the brand.“Is the woman leading or is she following? Is she on a big wave or is she on a smaller wave? It’s being aware of biases that we’ve internalised around how women are represented, and trying to challenge them.” Episode highlights:Surfing dressed as a carrot at the Finisterre summer party.Bronwen’s journey into surfing in her late 30s.Growing up on a ski mountain and learning at the age of 2.Being one of the only female snowboarders, and becoming a coach.Finding a love of the sea later in lifeWhy women are becoming strong and how Finisterre shoots for the female gazeMore about Bronwen:@bronwenfb@finisterrefinisterre.comJoin the Board Women movement:boardwomen.co@boardwomenHost: Caroline KeylockProducer: Selma ChalabiPhotography - Clare KeylockArtwork - Rozi Wan Rimli Music - Brother Brother by Benjamin Caleb Johnson, performed by BENSON25. 25. Sharing the passion - Sarah Brownlow
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